Wonder how Conservative spinmeisters are going to try and spin this one? Pope Francis was critical of Ecclesial “purists” when he said “This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people." A New York Times article follows...
New York Times
September 19, 2013
Pope Bluntly Faults Church’s Focus on
Gays and Abortion
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
In remarkably blunt language, Francis sought
to set a new tone for the church, saying it should be a “home for all” and not
a “small chapel” focused on doctrine, orthodoxy and a limited agenda of moral
teachings.
“It is not necessary to talk about these
issues all the time,” the pope told the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a fellow Jesuit
and editor in chief of La
Civiltà Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit journal whose content is routinely
approved by the Vatican .
“The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The
church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a
disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.
“We have to find a new balance,” the pope
continued, “otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall
like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel.”
The interview was conducted in Italian during
three meetings in August in the pope’s spartan quarters in Casa Santa Marta,
the Vatican guesthouse, and translated into English by a team of translators.
Francis has chosen to live at Casa Santa Marta rather than in what he said were
more isolated quarters at the Apostolic
Palace , home to many of
his predecessors.
The interview was released simultaneously on
Thursday morning by 16 Jesuit journals around the world, and includes the
pope’s lengthy reflections on his identity as a Jesuit. Pope Francis personally
reviewed the transcript in Italian, said the Rev. James Martin, an
editor-at-large of America, the
Jesuit magazine in New York .
America and La Civiltà
Cattolica together had asked Francis to grant the interview, which America is
publishing in its magazine and as an e-book.
“Some of the things in it really surprised
me,” Father Martin said. “He seems even more of a free-thinker than I thought —
creative, experimental, willing to live on the margins, push boundaries back a
little bit.”
The new pope’s words are likely to have
repercussions in a church whose bishops and priests in many countries, including
the United States, often appeared to make combating abortion, gay marriage and
contraception their top public policy priorities. These teachings are “clear”
to him as “a son of the church,” he said, but they have to be taught in a
larger context. “The proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral
and religious imperatives.”
From the outset of his papacy in March,
Francis has chosen to use the global spotlight to focus instead on the church’s
mandate to serve the poor and marginalized. He has washed the feet of juvenile
prisoners, visited a center for refugees and hugged disabled pilgrims at his
audiences.
His pastoral presence and humble gestures
have made him wildly popular, according to recent surveys. But there has been a
low rumble of discontent from some Catholic advocacy groups, and even from some
bishops, who have taken note of his silence on abortion and gay marriage.
Earlier this month, Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence , R.I. ,
told his diocesan newspaper that he was “a little bit disappointed in Pope
Francis” because he had not spoken about abortion. “Many people have noticed
that,” the bishop was quoted as saying.
The interview is the first time Francis has
explained the reasoning behind both his actions and omissions. He also expanded
on the comments he made about homosexuality in July, on an airplane returning
to Rome from Rio de Janeiro , where he had celebrated World
Youth Day. In a remark then that produced headlines worldwide, the new pope
said, “Who am I to judge?” At the time, some questioned
whether he was referring only to gays in the priesthood, but in this interview
he made clear that he had been speaking of gays and lesbians in general.
“A person once asked me, in a provocative
manner, if I approved of homosexuality,” he told Father Spadaro. “I replied
with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he
endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this
person?’ We must always consider the person.”
The interview also serves to present the pope
as a human being, who loves Mozart and Dostoevsky and his grandmother, and
whose favorite film is Fellini’s “La Strada.”
The 12,000-word interview ranges widely, and
may confirm what many Catholics already suspected: that the chameleon-like
Francis bears little resemblance to those on the church’s theological or
political right wing. He said some people had assumed he was an
“ultraconservative” because of his reputation when he served as the superior of
his Jesuit province in Argentina .
He pointed out that he was made superior at the “crazy” young age of 36, and
that his leadership style was too authoritarian.
“But I have never been a right-winger,” he
said. “It was my authoritarian way of making decisions that created problems.”
Now, Francis said, he prefers a more
consultative leadership style. He has appointed an advisory group of eight
cardinals, a step he said was recommended by the cardinals at the consistory
that elected him. They were demanding reform of the Vatican
bureaucracy, he said, adding that from the eight, “I want to see that this is a
real, not ceremonial consultation.”
The pope said he has found it “amazing” to
see complaints about “lack of orthodoxy” flowing into the Vatican offices in Rome from conservative
Catholics around the world. They ask the Vatican to investigate or
discipline their priests, bishops or nuns. Such complaints, he said, “are
better dealt with locally,” or else the Vatican
offices risk becoming “institutions of censorship.”
Asked what it means for him to “think with
the church,” a phrase used by the Jesuit founder St. Ignatius, Francis said
that it did not mean “thinking with the hierarchy of the church.”
He said he thinks of the church “as the
people of God, pastors and people together.”
“The church is the totality of God’s people,”
he added, a notion popularized after the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, which
Francis praised for making the Gospel relevant to modern life, an approach he
called “absolutely irreversible.”
And while he agreed with the decision of his
predecessor, Pope Benedict, to allow the broader use of the traditional
Latin-language Tridentine Mass, he said that the more traditional Mass risked
becoming an ideology and that he was worried about its “exploitation.” Those
who seek a broad revival of the Tridentine Mass have been among Francis’s
harshest critics, and those remarks are not likely to comfort them.
In contrast to Benedict, who sometimes
envisioned a smaller but purer church — a “faithful fragment” — Francis
envisions the church as a big tent.
“This church with which we should be thinking
is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of
selected people,” he said. “We must not reduce the bosom of the universal
church to a nest protecting our mediocrity.”
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